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BST F-4E Phantom II
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Just gonna be fantastic with the MiG-21, F-5, and whatever that other thing was (MiG-19?).. Just need a Vietnam map to go with it.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Weasel#Motto_and_traditions
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At one stage, when we were first naming the 4th AS, it nearly got the name "YGBSM", on Vampyre's suggestion.
Been personally hoping for a weasel variant of an F-4 or an F-105 for DCS since I first started playing it. I'm just a tad disillusioned with the way DCS in general has been developing recently, however, that I am not as excited as I might have been (tell the truth, I'm about to wipe it off my drive).
I could say something about the Shrike, but I'll step aside for Vampyre's comment, instead.
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The F-4E we will be getting is a DMAS/ARN-101 upgraded aircraft. It is a fighter/bomber with precision navigation equipment that improved its air to ground bombing prowess. It is not a Wild Weasel. A Wild Weasel is an aircraft modified under Project Weasel with sensors and systems to specifically target enemy SAM's. The F-4E does not have these sensors or systems. As for SEAD/DEAD the F-4E Phantom II is capable of performing the mission but it will be a lot more hazardous without an F-4G Wild Weasel V to locate and suppress the SAM radars. When they were operational, the F-4E's were paired with the F-4G Wild Weasel V aircraft in hunter/killer teams. The F-4G was the hunter and the F-4E was the killer. Usually the F-4G would be armed with AGM-78 Standard ARM, AGM-88 HARM, AGM-45 Shrike or AGM-65 Maverick to locate/suppress the radars and the F-4E fighter/bombers would dive in and finish the site off with Maverick's, Iron Bombs/CBU's and cannon fire.
The DMAS/ARN-101 F-4E's were operational from about 1982 to about 1992... late Cold War like the MiG-21Bis, UH-1H, Mi-8MTv2 and F-5E we have in game. other upcoming aircraft announced to be in development from the period are the Mi-24P Hind and F-14A Tomcat. It is one of my favorite time periods for combat aviation.
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I'll just add that we would need them to include a representation of the SA-2 Guideline for the general "threat environment" to be completely accurate to SEA OPS. We're still missing that one, last I checked. But as you have already pointed out, even the specific E upgrade isn't precisely Vietnam era, so fair enough.
PS: Somewhere I saw a screenie of an F-105 under development for DCS, which appeared to be a "G" with what looked like a Standard on the rail. There would be a little less wiggle room with that particular one to be getting more or less exactly what we would be expecting, right?
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The SA-2 Guideline was still a viable system for third world countries even up until the 1990's. It was responsible for shooting down an F-15E in 1991 and some countries still use the system.
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But as far as what the F-4E really excels at, I'm guessing we'll be using it for a lot of Maverick slinging and I also read that it could carry the GBU-15 which I hope they'll include, so it sounds to me like mostly it will be a strike platform with some fairly decent PGM capability. And a Fishbed-killer.
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That is exactly what it is. GBU-15, Pave Tack + LGB's, Mavericks and Iron Bombs/CBU's. The DMAS upgrade added a primitive CCIP mode to the gunsight which will help a lot with bombing... vice the manual mode the F-5E has currently (F-4E also has manual mode as a backup on the gunsight). I'd expect the F-4E to hold its own against a Flogger as well.
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I might be totally wrong, but was it the Pave Knife they used on the Paul Doumer Bridge attack? Would be nice to have the option to using that rather archaic system, too, I think.
I'll be looking that up real quick, now, to refresh my memory.
PS: Plus, I think that very mission is in CMANO, which I'll have a look at tomorrow. Just got back home and it is too late now, for all that.
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I live a stone's throw away from Runway 14, love it! It does suck that the last of the F-16's got phased out of here over the summer though. All I see now is the flying turd, aka F-35.
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I've always wondered how that works, are they just big RC planes when you were done with them?
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